Interview with Max Christensen
Kunlun Interview
James Gilliland: We’ve got Max Christensen he’s a Kunlun master we have his website up on the site there it’s primordialalchemist.com if you want to check it out and i’ve taken his teachers training class and have been taught Kunlun and it’s an amazing art and without any more on that we’ll see if we can bring Max on the show. `Max, are you with us?'
Max Christensen: Hi, how you’re doing.
J: How you’re doing?
M: Good, good, good, good.
J: Great to have you on the show
M: Yeah, thank you.
J: You know, there’s so many things you`re involved in, so many things I know you brought the Kunlun practices to the States here and how many people you say are practicing Kunlun in Japan alone?
M: Approximately ten thousand.
J: Ten Thousand people, that’s amazing. And you’ve been teaching it internationally all over the world and I don’t know how many we have in the States but I’m sure there’s quite a few in the States as well. But you know basically there’s so many different ways we can go cause you not only teach the Kunlun practices you teach the Mongolian Shamanism you teach the Egyptian classes I mean we could probably go into ten different directions but you know let’s begin with Kunlun and maybe you can give us a little bit of a history of where this practice or this art originated.
M: Originally Kunlun means top of the head the path of no more learning the land of snow and Kunlun the way I’ve named it is because I have many Taoist teachers many of the Mau Shan we call the Shan Xing sect and the Kunlum is the Kunlun Pai system in China which is a martial art. It’s a Taoist tradition but I called it Kunlun because I wanted to represent many of my teachers you know give honour to all of them and the main part of the Kunlun that we taught all over the world is composed of one practice it’s called the Red Phoenix which opens up the dormant potential of the brain and the wisdom eye we call the crystal palace and then there is the sponanteous we call I-Jong which is a spontaneous type of movement that opens the dormant potential of the body itself energetically. And Chi system we call the Chakra system opens up all the Nadis the channels. And so when you combine the Red Phoenix and the spontaneous this is the way of you to obtain what we call Go Dragon body and Go Dragon body we call the Wu Dragons of China the Wu Dragons are very famous for their body we call the Go Dragon Body which is equivalent returnable rainbow body the the tibetan system. And so that allows the body to go from mass into energy.
J: So it’s basically an ascension process.
M: Yeah, it’s an ascension process that opens up the dormant potential of every single person. And there’s people who are as young as six years old who have learned it and the oldest is seventy-five eighty yerrs old who have learned it. And a lot of people who have very very good health for about twenty minutes if you do it correctly there’s the basars to open up we speak in tongues we get very hot very cold spontaneous body posture we have the wisdom eye open. The back arcs ecstatic bliss and then wisdom eye opens the person could have died eyes lookin up. No breath the outer breaths disappear and the inner breath becomes apparent..
J: Mhm well it’s for some people in there... You know i’ve seen some of these things happen everything from like you say people go into sponanteous bliss and end up on the floor to go into another body to having spontanteous healings to you name it just being around Kunlun as little as I have I mean nothing compared to what you’ve been experiencing but anyway from what I’ve seen it’s a pretty amazing process.
M: Yeah well, for most people their health is the first thing you notice gets going really good. The Kindeys regenerate because the chi gets much stronger then the glands regenerate then the body works from the inside out and gets stronger and stronger.
Hmhm.Then it’s a real inner practice it’s not an intellectual thing I know a lot of people want to engage their mind and it’s more of a practice of no mind wouldn’t you say.
M: Yeah it’s what we call a letting of go the form becoming formless and if your mind’s there like a scolar you’re actually observing it that’s detrimental. You know cause your mind if you just surrender have a childlike nature it’s more playful. Then it starts having its effects you fall into it and the body moves itself. The vibes come out you’re just observing it.
J: And I’ve seen that as you’ve said before I’ve seen people on the ground shaking when the energy channels inner come out start opening up. I’ve seen so many different processes and it seems that there ‘s so many things happen as there are individuals you might say.
M: yeah it does because based on how you’re raised your environment scene the magnetics from the land you know there’s so many variables. But we say in our tradition that you’re doing to succeed because most people they say as long as you’re a human being you’re doing things to succeed you will master some way of form but most people they’re very happy just feeling this blissful feeling feeling very healthy for them that’s their form of awakening.
J: And some of the facts that people i don’t know if you wanna talk about that some of the experiences that people have during this process or is it better just not to talk about it and let each person have their own individual experience when they do the practice?
M: All we say is the direct experience is the best because I say if i tell you my experiences it will never be the same as yours because everybody is unique. So nobody will have the same experience at the same time. Some will go from inner from emptiness into this full movement others start from moving and going to emptiness. A lot of people it’s based on what they want the end result.
J: Hmhm so it’s almost like whatever they are seeking or wherever their inner nature is going to manifest or even their external nature is going to create some kind of an experience for them be it hitting the ground and shaking like a verm or just the basic aha like just.
M: Well the movement is just purification it’s not the whole concept bliss does only mean that you’re on the path and attainments you get but the thing is it’s going to be emptiness. You get attracted into bliss. People are like a bliss junkie. They get attached to the feeling because most people they’ve never had a chance to feel that good. So for them it’s hard to let it go. But it’s part of the path. But each person again will have a different experience from another person some take longer to open some take a little bit shorter time. That’s why it’s the bind we say the long long path, the long short, the short long, the short short, the short quick and the quick quick.
Now in yoga they talk about some people are like wet wood no matter how much energy you throw at them it’s just it’s gonna take forever they need to dry up a little bit you know some people are like basic wood and you can’t get it lit and it’s gonna take a lot of work and in other people they’re like kindling and you just throw a match at them and boom they explode
M: yeah
It’s probably pretty much the same thing yeah.
M: each person is their own natural element some people are more like fire some like water some like air. And so it happens that they say if you’re natural a fire person you’re so to awaken you become the opposing element in order to find your balance we call the middle path so you end up being more like water element and so when these two elements are in balance we call fire water or the Daoists call it Kanum Li when the fire and water mix and there’s a balance then there’s this steaming process in our Daoist alchemy we call it heating the cauldron and this allows you turn your essence your ching into chi which is your lifeforce and then when you get this chi built up in the heart you feel very blissful. But then you must convert that into emptiness. So to refine that steam it disappears into nothingness. so if you do it right in the Kunlun practice the lower body is very warm the heart is cool and the mind is empty.
Hmhm. Yeah it’s a good thing to strive for I know my analogy is kind of narrow but I wonder if this relates to astrology at all but I’m on the cusp of a fire and a water sign both which is quite interesting and which would make steam and I don’t know if there’s anything relative at all to that but with people’s signs or astrological signs.
M. Well first it’s not really the astrological signs that we work on it’s more like the balancing of the heart and the kidneys. You know what we call the fire and the water. If those two elements are mixed properly it doesn’t matter what astrological sign you are or even you died so much or even where you live because it’s an internal cultivation we call the microcosm and when you balance the microcosm inside yourself then universe on the outside takes care of itself.
So when we’re doing the moving postures the fire element’s fine but the one I most am attracted to is the water. So is it natural to be attracted to the water element if you’re fire if you’re basic fire you which you get naturally attracted to the opposite element or is that having anything to do wiht it I don’t know.
M: well you see that we see the Taoist tradition which is the natural balancing if you’re very earthy you’re gonna go for the air. You know if you’re more fire you’re gonna go for water because that’s the natural alchemy opposing element to balance the mentally it you’re mentally fire or you’re physically fire you so there’s a lot of basic variations. Of the mix in the elements. But the Kunlun itself it does the balancing without your mind getting in the way . We say 99 per cent of one’s awakening comes from the purification of the mind. And from the native you shake off the mind the body you shake off first but with some people the body will shake before the mind is relieved. But either way it’s gonna do the same effect.
I know there’s dark retreats and things like that where they say if you spend a certain amount of time in a dark retreat or whatever is that you’ll drop all that old programming and everything just falls away eventually and you get a whole new format to work with is that similar to some of the things that you’re working with?
M: yeah, like a lot of traditions I was taught by my teachers be it the Tibetian or the Taoist tradtion is I was for nine days in darkness because that’s the time that allows to empty the mind and then introspect oneself and then the biochemistry of the mind starts to change you know the serotonin and melatonin level in the brain start to change and that allows you to the inner light we call and in every tradition like in the kahunas they will spend the in the pelican kahuna tradition Kauai you’ll spend three days in a lomotu that’s closed and vow to their practices and my Navaho teacher in Taos, New Mexico he would spend on the ground in a cave or even in a tipi a certain amount of time in darkness. The Nyingma Lamas some of them do dark retreats some do for nine years in the dark in the cave every tradition does some form of the darkness so that you can see the light from within.
Definitely I know there’s a lot of science now that they’re finding that basically there’s a certain amount of time if you spend in darkness without any outer influences or distractions or whatever that heals you your old program just kind of goes out form breaks down and can get back to that innocence that wide open innocence that we were trying to get to.
M. yeah the thing is that during the time also they wouldn’t speak they wouldn’t eat you can drink this drinking and not eating in the darkness does something to you. A lot of traditions do that kind of a fasting but you gotta do preparations before. And then the hard thing is that once you have experienced in this dark retreat when you come out to the world you might come back to your same way of thought cause once you start speaking again you know you come back to the same state of mind so have to have a practice to continue it.
Hmhm
M: It’s like if you have ever tried for say 24 hours like when I was with my teachers in Taos New Mexico from the Red Willow society in the pueblo a lot of the old medicine people their way of awakening is they don’t speak and they say for a long period of time they don’t speak you save a lot of energy. And I was talkin to my DA which is my teacher he said that we use 90 percent of our energy through speaking. So when i ask my teacher my Navaho teacher a question they us the minimum of words for the maximum effect so as not to lose the energy.
They do a lot of hand signals
M: No, no they’re in contemplation.You know even saying the purest words like when I learned when I was in a Mexican tradition you know they asked me a question and as a Westerner I would just start saying all kinds of stuff. And they all kind of shook their head because I was wasting too much energy in speaking.
J: Hm
M: So you know if you learn the old ways of the awakening it’s like we learn just to keep quiet.
J: Yeah i know a lot of them will have a little sign on their chest or whatever saying in silence or whatever I have some friends Lakota friends that do that they just go on a silent retreat and they say I’m not gonna talk for a month or even longer and it just says in silence.
M: I know some people like Alan who wear dark glasses even at nighttime because after a long time of not speaking their wisdom eye starts to open up because they’re not leaking energy out.
J: So for the next 45 minutes on this show we’re gonna have silent meditation.
M: That would probably be the easiest show you had then.
J: Yeah it’d be interesting to do that sometime to say ok we’re gonna have a show here and we’re gonna do an introduction and the next 45 minutes this is gonna be silent meditation and we are doing that already actually we are having we have the eceti chamber where we are spending time and people are linking at the exact same time and meditating and the results we’re getting from that is phenomenal because people are having all these incredible experiences linking up together and sharing an energy and they’re capping the energy of the red share and the other work they were doing and they see lights flashing all around them have spontaneous you know huge energy shifts and all around this spontaneous healing happen and so it’s quite amazing I’d love to hook this into this other network and we’ll see where it goes from there.
M: Now that I’m retiring from the other teachings so that’s why I was doing more of the Mongolian Shamanism from my first teacher’s wife I feel I’ve done anything I wanted to teaching the Kunlun worldwide so I’m more into the more contemplating arts now.
Yeah I know exactly what you’re talking about. I mean both of us have a similar desire right now It’s I feel I’ve done my part but there’s more work to do out there but it’s like I’ve taken things to where I wanted to and now I really wanted to get legs of its own as you’ve done you’ve taught so many teachers and you know you sent all over the world internationally and now they’re starting their classes and continuing their traditions so basically that must feel good to you that you do have this ongoing teaching out there this learning just being expanding exponentially basically.
M: yeah, i’ve been doing I’ve been practising since I was formally accepted by my first teacher when I was six years old he was a Wu Dan teacher. That’s when I learned chi gung and through my life I’ve been doing this but I’ve been to a point where I’m very comfortable happy I’ve done what I’m supposed to. You know the promise that i’ve made and I’ve got some really good people out there. Like you have on your ranch and he’s very very good at what he does and I’m very happy about that they’re taking over.
Yeah. I need to get some people taking over for me but it’s hard for people to stay on that path you’ve run into that quite a bit there’s so many people that will start off and they learn the technique so whatever and let it get in the head or get in the ego and or start misusing the energy or whatever and then you’re back to square one you know with you don’t have to teach more people or more people to get it out there and it’ll stay plain you might say.
M: yeah we say many probably were chosen you know they start in the beginning but again many people don’t wanna go all the way to their own full awakening. Most people are satisfied enough just getting their health. And so you know they’ve got family life and they’ve got jobs and they’ve got situations where they don’t like being in a temple in a monastery and so when we practice this way what’s so nice about kunlun is can practice and you don’t have to surrender to anything. You can be the way you are like a rainman. layman
Yeah but now i would say would you say that practicing this Kunlun I know it fills your lifeforce up and your available energies you might say but let’s say if somebody a good examples like we talked earlier about it is my brother he’s been doing massage and other martial arts all his life and now he’s just focusing mainly on healing practices and he did the Kunlun as soon as he went into the position he started shaking going holy smokes and then half an hour later he had a client and he put his hands on her head to do a craniosacral move on her and she just went into total spontaneous bliss and started processing heavy duty crying and just major release and it was quite shocking for him and so it seems like this energy that we’re building up will enhance the other healing work that we’re doing wouldn’t you say?
M: yeah because what happens we build this overabundance and so it’s waiting outside the body. A lot of people based in China are also martial practitioners. They say energy healers die young because the more you push off energy then what happens the kidneys take the blame first. And for example if a man pushes too much energy on the right side of the kidney there like a belt going around the waist they’ll get this shooting pain while women will get it on the left. And this means that you’re giving too much energy out. And that’s why you feel exhausted after it. But with the Kunlun what happens is that energy you have the overabundance outside you’re not draining your body at all. So actually you should feel quite refreshed. And as you said your brother when he did it the overabundance that’s outside went to a person who needed it. And then when she was ready based on how ready she was and how open her mind and her heart was is what happens to the body. And again the shaking the movement means that the channels are being opened up.
Yeah so her energy channels were being opened up so she did receive the energy or just the abundancce of energy it’s a byproduct of that flowing through your body?
M: yes, there’s a lot of sickness just when the energy channels start to close up it’s either the mind closed up first or the body and so this just allows you to push the hair out of the drain we say. So that way you’re more clear and natural to heal yourself. So when you’re young like babies your glandulars are very strong so you’re very healthy but as we start to progress through life and age and stress the glandulars are not as strong as they were when we were young and so to compensate you take a medicine to regenerate that but then you take so much medicine it’s not part of your natural body your body forgets how to heal himself. So Kunlun is like a person coming in like a ragdoll coming in they learn the posture they let go the body starts to shake like a dog shaking up the water and then the health starts to regenerate.
So when you cough up the hairball you’re ok.
M Yeah sometimes in the kunlun classes that some people who cannot speak their truths they’ll start to cough because that’s their fear because their chest is very caved in it’s because they haven’t had the possibility of opening themselves up. So this helps them to open.
So the system is different than a lot of the yogis talk about the seven chakra system but there’s basically three maybe glands that you work with in your practice?
M: yeah well most systems are firebased they go from the tailbone up. And we’re in the waterbased systems and it’s also in China another practice called Secret of the Golden Flower or the nine palaces is the waterpath. And the waterpath comes from the crown down into the body. And then down into the tailbone. And so what happens this is what we call cooling the fire before the rain arises so at the same time as above is below is the law of nature so as the crown opens up your tailbone opens up. As your wisdom eye center opens up then you got the lower abdomen the lower dan channel which is behind the belly button and then you open up and then eventually the energy meets at the heart and we say when emptiness of the mind and the blissful radiance of a sponanteous energy arises into the heart and we call the middle path or we call the blooming of the gold flower and when that heart opens up that’s when we have this kind of death experience with a very bright light then the mind in the head itself it starts to descend to a channel called cortical channel in Tibet we have this it’s called the channel of clarity that energy flows down your mind and with mind it’s everything flows down into the heart and this is when we have the great opening. Where bliss and this compassion come together.
J: The now the one of the things I noticed with a lot of the Kundalini yoga and things like that are rising the Kundalini when that I mean it’s a very powerful energy when it comes up a lot of people end up with energy sickness or they have a severe block or whatever or chakras when energy comes up then it really lays them up but this is a whole different process or what would you say?
M: Yeah in china it’s called yangkun or jesus version the a lot of people who do the forceful method some people do a lot of Bhastrika and then maybe forceful breathholding and then we see the firepath is easy to open but it’s very easy to damage yourself if you don’t have the guidance of a proper teacher. well on the waterpath my teacher says only to see once we continue the waterpath everything it opens up naturally it’s not forceful in any way. And your body your kind of higher mind dictates and nature itself dictates when you open and how you open and how much you open and the thing is to get your mind out of the way when you’re practicing.
J: Yeah I see it’s good to use this process with the presence of a trained master or even an ascended master on another level when invoked most guys they kind of watch over you doing this process but who knows the I noticed when I was in the teachings in the Inner Christ Movement in that movement in the Tibetan foundation there’s they would bring in the higher beings the ascended masters and they would oversee to make sure you didn’t take on more energy than you could handle they would kind of monitor the shift that happens and so people wouldn’t go into that Kundalini shock or have that problem and I guess just by doing this other practice that avoids that altogether.
M: mhm. Well again the water practice is really not known as much as the fire path. It’s pretty safe it’s a gentle approach and so you can control you can like you can slow it down you can it’s malleable based on the practitioner. And in the old days there was the teacher who would there for 24 hours a day. It’s we call the path of no more learning. Everything that happens in Kunlun will happen to you naturally when you sleep you are unconscious but yet you bypass the same processes this water path descends into you and that’s how the body regenerates itself and again people just aren’t aware of what you really naturally already have and the Kunlun reveals this to you.
J: So it’s basically you know I guess you know we’re probably using the intellect a little too much here trying to explain this process but it’s a matter of people actually just sitting down and shutting up and doing the practice and just let the energy do its work.
M yeah it’s because we’re used to control like in yoga we’re used to control our mind it’s used to controlling what the body should or should not do. But based on your mind it’s different every time you practice it’s never the same so based on the time of day or the season every Kunlun time is gonna be different. When you practice some time it may be a little bit of movement sometimes not sometimes whatever you need at that moment . your highest mind your highest potential that decides what you need. If we think well what do I need? It’s like saying like you know yoga there are countless postures and it takes a long time to practice each one so if you knew if your body is a natural yoga in it when you do the Kunlun it’s magic the body takes the posture you in need for at that moment. And sometimes either when you’re not practicing usually effects happen after you practice you walk across a street with people and if something’s not really good for you your body will shake for a moment and kind of shake that away.
J: Yeah so you’re moving in. I noticed that let’s say if I was a beginning practitioner and I sat down and I assume the posture you know the basic Kunlun posture and the energy starts flowing through me what might I expect to happen I know you shouldn’t have expectations but what are some of the things you see happen to people?
M: well ok most times the very first time the people think too much so they get a little bit oh why doesn’t it happen right away. If you look for it then we say you move away from it. The moment you don’t wait for it it’ll come to you. So if you’re sitting the first thing you notice is your legs will start to shake. And you know you got the nervous leg sydrome people have these days and they don’t know what’s wrong and so they’ll give you a pill to stop this movement but naturally when people start to awaken they legs they start to shake. Now from the shaking based where it’s coming from your lower body’s moving first or your upper body sometimes the head will move first in a circle. And then you may start to shake very very fast or slow again each person’s different. From here, most people get very very hot or very very cold. When you’re very hot that means your glandular system of your body is being purified while the cold is the magnetic potential that is which is dormant and is starting to flow. We say Sushumna inner central channel. Then from here you see some people when their energy works in the brain you have different scents lilac, rose, different things of purification. This is coming from you. Then, one may hear high sounds, then one may see flashes of light and the body will take its spontaneous postures almost yogic in nature if you’re the type of person that’s very fiery your body may build up energy you’ll suddely get drawn to the ground almost like a magnet or a vacuum. So that the actual energy you have or if it’s a sickness purges out to the earth and then eventually you’ll stop and nothing will happen that means you’ve opened up for that time.
J: And I know when people have this major opening and then they sit down the next time and nothing happens they go what’s wrong what am I doing wrong and I think it’s important to know that maybe you’re doing something right because you’re there you’ve gone through that opening and now you are where you need to be.
M Right right. That’s what I said. It ‘s gonna be different. It’s never gonna be the same.
J: Yeah I know it’s with me too it’s when I got sick I got really sick down in Mexico and then when I did the Kunlun I had to I went through a lot of the same processes that I went through in the very beginning and I think it’s because my energy levels were so low and because of the sickness I was experiencing and it just burned if off again I went through a lot of the same processes.
M: Yeah sometimes though like in your purification the heart is part of the cells that fire your brain because it’s encapsulated and so and most people they’re under a level of attaining more of a higher level of awareness is, as like with a baby the fontanelle the top of the head is very open very soft but then as you get older it closes and locks very very solid. But then upon your death the cranial bones open up so that the spirit the Shen can leave the body. When you practice Kunlun the crown has the tendency of getting a bulge at the top in the crack . We call it Pol in Tibet, there’s a space left where you put a piece of Kuska grass into the crown itself. And what it means that you also sometimes get a yellowish discharge or bloody discharge on the top of your head it’s very sweet it’s like spinal fluid that means you’ve successfully opened the crown. At other very rare times you’ll get, it’s like you cry tears of blood you get this black kind of tears coming out of your eyes and that’s coming out from the brain. At other times you get the soma the elixir of mortality this very thick honeylike fluid that drips down your throat either white and clear or golden color. And this will when you swallow that soma and that allows the body to reawaken itself to heal itself.
J: Now is that coming like from the pineal gland or where would that be coming from?
M: well the Taoists call it the crystal palace and in the crystal palace mainly we got the pineal und pituitary glands and when these two are in sync that’s when you create the soma.
J: Ok
M: The elixir of mortality the elixir of life you know the jade elixir and the other Taoist traditions. And that’s when it gives you life itself. The water of life that’s another way to call it.
J: So it seems like once that opens us up and starts happening and your body will probably go through a major transition some kind of a frequency transition or a trance basically you might say or is there some other word you use for that?
M That’s more a finer matter in a physical sense like my t-shirt’s grey it turns black, wrinkles start to fade you feel like you get younger like in yoga you get more suppleness in your muscles you feel like a 24-year-old again and it’s a I mean you just feel very very fresh not like an old piece of wood anymore.
J: Yeah I need that. I need to do a little more practice
M And the thing is in our tradtion people practice one hour a night evening time is the best time about 7:30 pm and that allows your body to calm it allows you to regenerate. If you want to do it between 11 pm and one am then that will be a time for spiritual endeavors. Most people they wake up between 3 and 3.30 in the morning. That’s when our spirit gates are open. If you want to use it quickly for health practice between 5 and 7 am in the morning.
J: I’m finding myself when my energies are getting down and I’m not feeling healthy what I do is automatically get up early in the morning and go out and sit in front of the mountain and practice Kunlun and now that the snow is gone it’s even better but the like you’re saying it now a lot of people are waking up at 3 or 4 in the morning right at that time I’m getting so many emails from people and even phone calls saying what is going on why am I waking up every morning at 4 in the morning or between 3.30 and 4 in the morning and it seems like that’s been their waking up.
M: Now that’s the time when the spirit doors are open and time to tap into the spirit world itself. This time we call ying and yang within our tradtion it’s a balance like you know the spiritual and the physical world . and that’s where a lot of the old tradtions the old masters come in in teaching.
J: It seems like that is logical and also true that a lot of times when you hear that ringing in your ears there’s a high frequency communication going on and it’s going straight into your subconscious and it would seem logical that’s when these masters are working with people or extremely advanced ultradimensionals or whatever or even ETs teaching people at that time period or it could be any time during the day when you’re in a kind of meditative state or whatever
M: Well in the Taoist tradition the sleep yoga they say if you follow a sound to its origin then you go back to the source of Tao the great mystery so if you hear a time pattern ringing in your ear just lying on your side and just listen to the sound and the less you listen to the louder it’ll get. And eventually you try to follow the sound back we call it nadi yoga. Try to find it back to the sound where it’s originates from. And this is another type we call dream practice of the Taoist do.
J: So now following that back now I guess it depends if you’re clairvoyant or not if you have an image of where it’s coming from or I might say a being or whatever that might be. The origin of that sound.
M eventually once you trace the sound back from eventually the sound will get as loud as an ocean. And then it will start to fade and disappear and from there you start to see light. And then you trace the light back to where it comes from and then you start the process we call returning to source in a more of a mental practice of sleep.
J: And tracing the light when you start seeing the lights and you start tracing the light back again that may originate from a light being who knows or somebody trying to find just the source itself.
M: Well, there’s many mental stations you know sometimes you call your masters but sometimes you it’s like your’re seeing your own inner light we call that illusionary light because we think it’s real and there’s what we call the kriya light and what happens basically is that given the example of a near death experience people see a tunnel of light well if you look into the Tibetan tradition like the Nyingma if you had your wisdom eye opened and the near death experience has naturally opened you up you see this tunnel of light but some people think they’re going out of the crown but we say that’s the outer as above so below but but naturally it’s the wisdom eye looking down the cortical channel and that’s in Tibetian yoga and the cortical channel is the channel of clarity your inner eyes actually looking down to the place of the heart which is where the truth of a person is where the organ is so actually you are travelling through the katika channel back into essence that’s into your own heart. But there’s a linear a more material aspect if people are not aware of the channels inside themselves they will perceive this channel as a channel outside the head and into a tunnel above them.
J: Yeah I’ve heard over and over again people talking about that the tunnel of light is actually your spinal cord you’re moving up and down your spinal cord. It sounds like what you’re talking about it’s very similar. But not so much a physical not as physical as your spinal cord it’s more of an energy cord you might say it goes from the heart to the crown is that right.
M well you all say your spirit your lower mind you say the mind you use every day is between the eyebrows but what happens is that when a yogi starts going to his spiritual death and awakeining that mind part of him goes to a center in the brain called the crystal palace and from here he descends into this cortical channel and then it goes to his heart and that’s where your personal. I’ve seen a person who’s died the average human being loses about 5 ounces of weight when they die. And the light is from the heart you know that’s that spiritual essence we call the pro that never dies. And even doctors you know there is a part in the heart some specialized cell that doctors even in healthy persons what I’ve heard will never prick that part or touch it because that would be a shock to the person and this will add a spiritual leave. There’s an actual Taoist practice where they actually touch that with your mind called the Red Sun practice. The red sun practice allows you to kind of merge your lower mind and your higher mind into that reality. That part of the heart and what happens you get this kind of energetic hiccough and you’ve actually touched it.
J: Now that’s I know what you’re talking about a lot of times they say you don’t wanna touch that with any special medical instrument or anything else because whatever you’re operating on you’d create an instant death right.
M: Yeah even a healthy person would
J: Yeah it’s not a good idea to touch that area. Now one of the teachers I studied with said the soul sits in that area and the soul that’s what leaves the body when you die and it’s through the heart that you connect to the source it’s not through the mind, the intellect is just a drop into the sea of consciousness but...
M: Right right a lot of the other traditions call the same metaphor a drop going into the ocean of wisdom. The ocean of wisdom being your heart it’s like in the Tibetan tradition your mind is like that drop and we call it entering into the primordial awareness it’s the same kind of meaning going back into the heart.
J: Have you heard of the latest experiments where they actually found in the pineal gland the same type of receptors that would be in your eyes they are actually in the pineal gland and they’re connected to a place in the heart which is quite interesting and they documented this they found it but they don’t know how it operates.
M: Well, there’s a lot of new sciences now opening up to that or talking about that now. Quantum physicists are trying to explore it even allowing the quantum physicists I had a few of them who’ve actually learned the Kunlun. And trying to cooperate the quantum physics with what they know now with the ancient practices. It’s like Lavio Dow who was kind of the first quantum physicist they could apply but they couldn’t really understand the scientific value what they have now we’re watching nature. But now the monoquantum physics they can explain it scientifically but they’re trying to apply it to the body. So if you actually mix the Kunlun if you’re like a quantum physicist and you mix that into your scientific first you know let the mind go of that and experience it directly and then you can probably get even deeper aspects of quantum physics.
J: I know I had a one of the people I went to he’s one of the guys of “What the bleep are?” one of the physicists there and when I met him quite a few years ago he was saying that there is no way to experience this other dimensions and it would take too much Planck Energy to get there and there’s just no way that you can bridge the dimensions. It’s the energy levels it would take it’s impossible to experience these other dimensions. I said we’re actually filming these other dimensions opening and beings stepping out of these dimensions and everything else. I said, what about that zero-point energy that everybody has within us that we can access it’s the same energy that sets the whole universe into motion and why would that not be enough Planck Energy to do any of these practices like bilocation or ascending the body or whatever.
M: Well a lot of these methods like say the Red Phoenix from the Maoshan tradition you know I’ve got a quantum physicist talk about that with me and he found that you’re actually accessing a zero point energy in the center of the brain like inside a Crystal Palace it was like a zero-point energy and even in the heart itself you know it’s a vacuum like a Bindu in the Indian tradition it’s a vacuum and you’re accessing that vacuum and if you have power over a vacuum it allows a lot of energy to pull force for you.
J: I know that in the vacuum or empty space they say there’s something like 10 to the power of I don’t know how much power of available energy there. People think that the void or zero point energy or whatever we wanna call it it’s just nothing and it’s actually not it’s in a huge it’s a space of there’ s so much available energy there it’s just mindboggling.
M: Well, even in the Egyptian Schoool ot Tet a school of Anubis they talk about accessing that very type of energy between the wisdom eye between your eyebrows. They’re realizing a method called the Sah breath and that was an ancient practice. Even if you read the pyramid texts of ancient Egypt they talk about the Atlantean culture they talk about how they had this arc this particular power and that’s the arc this one that Anubis sits upon and they talk about how to access these seven component parts both externally and internally. It was a kind of a biomechanical understanding how to develop the energy in the body and so they talk about Anubis’s daughter Kebechet and she was inside the box that Anubis sits upon and she was the one that could access that power that rolls through your body.
J: And so he was utilizing her as a bridge you might say ar a...
M: Well, Anubis represented like a primordial awareness like also the dormant potential inside yourself kind of that was the daughter and she was represented by a black cobra. then we see Anubis on a sun boat and they travel across the river Nile which represents your spinal core. And we see his daughter represented by two servants that are walking next to him with feathers on their back and then when he’s got to the river Nile we see after his awakening he became Ra-Osiris the awakened man while man in the old School of Anubis was called a mummy, an unawakened person.
J: And there seems to be a lot of the mummies running around or muggles or whatever they’re called on the planet right now.
M: Yeah, yeah, I know. And their school is very interesting like the symbology like the vulture representing transfiguration or change like the condor. the you see a lot of temples like in Avados you’ll see them holding this ring of power you call the Shen it’s like in Chinese Shen means spirit but it’s like a ring of power and even on some of the Babylonian pictures you see a king that looks like it has these wings and that looks like a lion the body holding this ring of power.
J: Now one of that goes back to I know there are these lions and Sekhmet actually what do you know about Sekhmet he was actually a lion humanoid being one might say or one of the gods there.
M: Well, in the School of Osiris Sekhmet represents also the divine potential in the body itself, Sekhmet was the divine serpent energy and so also when we saw the cat the Bast the cat was more a protection so you can look at it in a lot of pictures and they were protectors of the person going there with a child the boy. But again you know the way the Ma'at Egytians talk about it and the way that like the School of Anubis is so different it’s not like what these scholars talk about.
J: Oh yeah definitely you know the
M: He was actually he was a lawyer and the had a teahouse in California before he retired and the Egyptian priests they came up to him and knocked on his door and said ok we’re going to teach you. And he had no idea that was from his past. And how he recognized it they made him hold his hand up and he had really long fingers and it showed ok you’re from the School of Anubis or the School of TET and then yeah there’s other signs that you will look at physical signs.
J: And I was just looking at my hand and I have really long fingers and
M: Yeah, but that’s what is written about that or the Sah breath in Egypt that’s kind of a forbidden word you hear you read about it mainly in the pyramid texts and there’s the coffin texts that has some hints about it also.
J: But I know in ancient India they call them Nashringa which were the lions or whatever and same thing they would call on them for protection and there’s very ancient stories about bandits coming into a town and they would be afraid and call Nashringa and these bandits get just knocked off their horses and their clothes got torn and shred and they got off into the jungle. But you know I personally just like the movie Avatar from my own personal experience I know that all those beings do exist and there are other dimensions you might say higher dimensions and they will step in if you need help sometimes and watch over you.
M: Well and then again you need to be adept at a certain level you might have to be open to these realities. Also if you are very close-minded you won’t get very much in terms of understanding you must have done some spirituality you have to meet them half way in a way to show you’re serious about it.
J: Yeah I know they even the scientists are proving that you actually see them with your brain a lot of these people are negative because they say I don’t believe it because I don’t see it. But it doesn’t work that way because if you don’t believe it if you don’t have no desire to experience that you’re not gonna have that experience. That’s just the way the brain works.
M: When you have people wanting to see the extraterrestrials you can have a person next to you very scholarly but he won’t be able to see it. And when I had these experiences when I was much younger is that what I was told your brain sets a certain frequency when you open. And so they modify their field and they can shape the field with the ships that you can actually just that you can see it and the person next to you can not. That’s why a lot of people you see them they’re sitting below and they’re not even aware what’s above them.
J: Yeah it’s we see that happen here quite often you know unfortunately we’re out of time it’s just it’s been an incredible interview. I know we could talk for another five hours so the best way to get a hold of you for any upcoming workshops or classes or whatever would be to go to the primordialalchemist.com and then making contact to you there and find out we have that link up on the bbs site too. Do you have anything coming up very soon that people might want to know about?
M: Not right now I’m still in a transition right now a new location and probably in the next few months I will start my classes again.
J: Great.
M: And there’ll be more Mongolian Shamanism from the Blue Wolf tradition and then doing more of the Egytian actual practices from the School of TET and the school of Anubis and tea classes because I’m a avid Chinese tea drinker so I do Chinese tea classes.
J: Oh well that was great having the tea with you Othis evening well we’re out of time I can’t thank you enough for coming on the show and have a great evening and hope to see you soon.
M: Ok, thank you very much.
J: Alright thank you.This is James Gilliland with As You Wish Talk Radio signing off have a great evening good night.